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>> well, i was -- so i was with my dad, my brother and my future brother-in-law. and my dad actually kind of had us back away from the street a little bit. got us -- we were kind of next to a building that had steel in pillars. and kind of protected us a little bit. a lot of the people in my area just kind of -- we were a little confused and stunned about what was going on. we kind of just stayed in the area. trying to figure out what was happening. and then as more and more people were coming our way, coming away from the explosion, we started putting two and two together. then we started heading back towards mass avenue. and away from the explosions. >> taylor, what we seem to be hearing tonight is that there were not a lot of injured or bloodied people walking around, because most of the injuries were below the waist. most of the injuries seem to have been to the legs. and so people were disabled, if they were injured. so did you see injured people leaving the scene? >> no. i didn't see any injuries whatsoever. the only injuries i seen have been via pictures. s
>> well, i was -- so i was with my dad, my brother and my future brother-in-law. and my dad actually kind of had us back away from the street a little bit. got us -- we were kind of next to a building that had steel in pillars. and kind of protected us a little bit. a lot of the people in my area just kind of -- we were a little confused and stunned about what was going on. we kind of just stayed in the area. trying to figure out what was happening. and then as more and more people were...
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law, united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> joining me now, roger increase ee, terrorism analyst. roger, want you to listen to something the boston police chief said yesterday on cbs, listen do what ed davis said. >> we have reason to believe based upon the evidence found at that scene, the explosions, the explosive ordinance that was unexploded and fire power that they had that they were going to attack other individuals. >> and roger, just to read from the complaint filed in federal court today specifically what they have in there, two unexploded ieds as well as remnants of numerous exploded ieds, also found in the search of the current suspect's, younger brother's room, they found bee-bees, the pressure cooker, low grade, also find in the search of the abandoned car, intact low grade explosive devices discovered. what do you make of those discoveries in relation to what commissioner dav
law, united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> joining me now, roger increase ee, terrorism analyst. roger, want you to listen to something the boston police chief said yesterday on cbs, listen do what ed davis said. >> we have reason to believe based upon the evidence found at that scene, the explosions, the explosive...
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law enforcement did a good job. hearing from folks on scanners and privately, they knew something -- they knew it was something concrete they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy could have easily been killed and don't think of university police that way normally. >> yeah. he was there, i don't know what the sequence was. still some confusion as to whether the robbery was perpetrated by these guys or not. >> i was told it was not. >> we don't know exactly what happened, but clearly he was the point of the speer for us, he is going to be remembered unfortunately for this tragedy. we also have a casualty in mbta, richard donahue seriously wounded. >> this i think begins for us with the deaths that occurred right over here on monday. >> i was so struck, this kid t
law enforcement did a good job. hearing from folks on scanners and privately, they knew something -- they knew it was something concrete they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy could have easily been killed and don't think of...
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law enforcement officials have not confirmed that there were other unsploided bombs. the official confirmation is that there were two devices. to the extent that there were other devices today, isolated and treated in some way by law enforcement, those may have been devices that were investigated as suspect packages and done away with by law enforce. . no arrests have been made. the investigation is now being headed by the fbi in conjunction with other federal and state and local agencies. i want to bring in a young man who is an eyewitness. he was eating with co-workers when he heard the first explosion. so you're about 100 yards away. what did you hear? >> bewere inside the restaurant. heard the first explosion. kind of shook the building a little bit. we kind of wondered what it was. looked outside and saw some smoke. actually ran outside. then the second one blew up about 100 yards from us. >> did they sound like they were about the same size? >> the first one sounded small, because it was a little bit further down the street. i didn't realize until i watched the
law enforcement officials have not confirmed that there were other unsploided bombs. the official confirmation is that there were two devices. to the extent that there were other devices today, isolated and treated in some way by law enforcement, those may have been devices that were investigated as suspect packages and done away with by law enforce. . no arrests have been made. the investigation is now being headed by the fbi in conjunction with other federal and state and local agencies. i...
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>> caller: well, i was with my dad, my brother and my future brother-in-law. my dad actually kind of had us back away from the street a little bit. we were kind of next to a building that had stone pillars that protected us a little bit. a lot of the people in my area just kind of were a little confused and stunned about what was going on. we kind of just stayed in the area trying to figure out what was happening. then, as more as more people were coming our way, coming away from the explosion, we started kind of putting two and two together and then we started heading back toward mass avenue and away from the explosions. >> taylor, where we seem to be hearing tonight is there were not a lot of injured or bloody people walking around because most of the injuries were below the waist. most of the injuries were to the legs, so people were disabled, if they were injured. so did you see injured people leaving the scene? >> caller: no. i didn't see any injuries what so ever. the only injuries i have seen were via pictures. that is correct. no one who was injured wa
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. >> yeah -- >> they underestimated -- they underestimated law enforcement. and they underestimated the resilience of boston. and william pollard would describe it as the arrogance of ignorance. they're going to be caught soon. >> james, underestimating law enforcement and the resources they can bring to this, is the most useful mistake that criminals like this make in these situations, isn't it? >> well, it's true. they underestimate the capability. look, you've got the a-team here. if you look at every great celtics team, red sox team, bruins team, rolled them together, all the players, that's the investigative team. they're going to win. they're going to -- they're going to solve the case. you can see it develop in 72 hours. that was a heartbreaking piece you just did at the elementary school. and i've seen all too many bombing victims over the years. and it's a vulgar crime. a mass murder by bombings and firearms are vulgar, vulgar crimes. >> james, before you go tonight, we're going to talk about this later in the show. but we discussed last night what t
. >> yeah -- >> they underestimated -- they underestimated law enforcement. and they underestimated the resilience of boston. and william pollard would describe it as the arrogance of ignorance. they're going to be caught soon. >> james, underestimating law enforcement and the resources they can bring to this, is the most useful mistake that criminals like this make in these situations, isn't it? >> well, it's true. they underestimate the capability. look, you've got the...
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out there lingering and people were wondering, well, if there's smoke is there fire here, maybe did law enforcement have some other information to share, in the middle of that scrum and reporters and people just collected at the courthouse, the courthouse ended up getting cleared itself and it was not apparent for awhile why they did that. authorities later said it was a bomb threat that caused the evacuation of the courthouse and the surrounding area and a bomb threat is always scary, perhaps more so right now, but while that was going on today at the federal courthouse in boston, while all the media was gathered there wondering if the inaccurate reports were going to turn out to maybe be accurate, while this was happening today, it added to the media-generated chaos. joining us now, pete williams, who i should tell you, is in the same building i am in but is at another camera because he needs to be close to his desk phone. it truly is that kind of day in the news, pete. thank you very much for being here. >> you bet. >> what do we know about what authorities have been able to find fro
out there lingering and people were wondering, well, if there's smoke is there fire here, maybe did law enforcement have some other information to share, in the middle of that scrum and reporters and people just collected at the courthouse, the courthouse ended up getting cleared itself and it was not apparent for awhile why they did that. authorities later said it was a bomb threat that caused the evacuation of the courthouse and the surrounding area and a bomb threat is always scary, perhaps...
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but law enforcement officials have expressed interest in a man seen leaving the area in dark clothing. and there's word of a federal search warrant being executed in a boston suburb. chris jansing join us live with the latest on the case. >> good morning. the fbi says they're leading a joint federal task force on terrorism. however, they caution that this is a criminal investigation that could turn into a terror investigation. it involves federal, state and local police. and obviously, the question is, who might have done this? and why? they're careful to say there are no suspects. you talk about the warrant that was served in suburban boston. things were taken out of the apartment. but no arrests, no suspects, according to police. the ongoing question about exactly what happened, there is intensive investigation going on right now. everything from the criminal investigation to the forensic investigation, about these two blasts that went off 16 or 17 seconds apart without warning. generally, when there was an act of terror, they might have heard some chatter. there was no reports that
but law enforcement officials have expressed interest in a man seen leaving the area in dark clothing. and there's word of a federal search warrant being executed in a boston suburb. chris jansing join us live with the latest on the case. >> good morning. the fbi says they're leading a joint federal task force on terrorism. however, they caution that this is a criminal investigation that could turn into a terror investigation. it involves federal, state and local police. and obviously,...
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law enforcement did a good job. we were hearing from folks not only on the scanners but just privately, they knew this was something concrete that they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, the harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy last zplit easily been killed and we don't think of our university police that way normally. >> yeah. he was there, i don't know what the sequence was. still some confusion as to whether the robbery was perpetrated by these guys or not. >> i was told tonight it was not. >> we don't know exactly what happened, but clearly he was the point of the spear last night for us, and he's going to be remembered, unfortunately, for this tragedy. but we also have a casualty among the mbta police department in richard donohue was seriously wounded so -- >> this i think begins for us wi
law enforcement did a good job. we were hearing from folks not only on the scanners but just privately, they knew this was something concrete that they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, the harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy last zplit easily been killed and we...
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the sequester can be lifted by congress changing the law. >> should people be worried if they're flying about safety being compromised? >> absolutely not. we never compromise safety. safety is always our number one priority. >>> democrats face a new hurdle in their bid to keep control of the u.s. senate in 2014. finance committee max baucus says he will not seek a seventh term in office. bachus has served in washington for more than 40 years, he actually has nearly 5 million in campaign cash on hand, that's why it surprised people. a powerful voice on tax issues, the 71-year-old has at times clashed with fellow democrats for his opposing his own party's initiatives in some instances. he was one of four democrats who voted last week against expanded background checks for gun sales. there are now six democrats in the senate who will not be running for re-election next year. most of whom represent politically competitive seats. party leaders in montana are looking to brian schweitzer as their best chance for holding on to that seat. >>> after holding two separate dinners with senate republ
the sequester can be lifted by congress changing the law. >> should people be worried if they're flying about safety being compromised? >> absolutely not. we never compromise safety. safety is always our number one priority. >>> democrats face a new hurdle in their bid to keep control of the u.s. senate in 2014. finance committee max baucus says he will not seek a seventh term in office. bachus has served in washington for more than 40 years, he actually has nearly 5...
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meanwhile, law enforcement officials in massachusetts are combing through more than 2,000 tips, looking through photos like this one, shall shows a bag sitting by a mailbox before the explosion. it is unclear at this point whether or not the bag has any relevance, but appears to be near the center of the explosion. president obama will be in boston tomorrow to attend a memorial service for the victims. for the loved once of those killed and maimed in the explosion, there is only confusion and many unanswered questions. joining me today here in new york city, nbc news capitol hill correspondent luke russert, and misterrorism expert michael leiter, and bob herbert, a distinguished senior fellow at dimos. >>> let's go to kristin welker for more. >> reporter: alex, good afternoon. here's what we know at this hour. this letter was received yesterday at an off-site mail facility. i want to emphasize that. it did not get close to the white house. it's typical for letters sent to this facility to undergo a screening. during that process, it was discovered that a letter addressed to president ob
meanwhile, law enforcement officials in massachusetts are combing through more than 2,000 tips, looking through photos like this one, shall shows a bag sitting by a mailbox before the explosion. it is unclear at this point whether or not the bag has any relevance, but appears to be near the center of the explosion. president obama will be in boston tomorrow to attend a memorial service for the victims. for the loved once of those killed and maimed in the explosion, there is only confusion and...
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the state, local, federal law enforcement. and they presumably are, the fbi is the lead organization in charge of this investigation. but clearly there is some confusion amongst some of these sources about what's going on, even though the governor seemed to suggest that there wasn't. >> i think in the sense of cooperating with the investigation, sharing information, making sure if one agency comes into possession of some information, a photograph, maybe forensics, there's no question at all there's been very good cooperation. you've got federal officials, state officials and that's not always the case. there's no indication of any command and control issues here at all. there has certainly been consrnation about leaks. we've been told by srces about a possible arrest being made. operation under way leading to an arrest, specific identification of the suspect. i do know from following back on sources there's some consternation, and the agencies talking about who's leaking, why would they be leaking, let's pull back. the governo
the state, local, federal law enforcement. and they presumably are, the fbi is the lead organization in charge of this investigation. but clearly there is some confusion amongst some of these sources about what's going on, even though the governor seemed to suggest that there wasn't. >> i think in the sense of cooperating with the investigation, sharing information, making sure if one agency comes into possession of some information, a photograph, maybe forensics, there's no question at...
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that's the law. you can't tell by looking at someone if a judge has declared a person to be mentally defective. you cannot tell by looking at a person if they are a convicted felon. if you are either of those things, the law says you cannot buy a gun. here is how we check to see if you are a felon or mentally ill before you buy a gun in this country. >> the crew went north to kings port, tennessee to a saturday morning local gun show held in a convention center. it was a smith & wesson mp 45 caliber semi-automatic that first caught our producers eye. asking price, $625. >> it's not brand spanking new. >> cash and carry? >> but it's early and the team opts to keep looking. 10 to 20 minutes later, they circle back to the same table, negotiating for the same gun. >> it's a deal. no background check. it's not needed for a private sale. but the serial is legally required to check id like a driver's license, to make sure the buyer is not from out-of-state. in this case, no identification asked for, no pape
that's the law. you can't tell by looking at someone if a judge has declared a person to be mentally defective. you cannot tell by looking at a person if they are a convicted felon. if you are either of those things, the law says you cannot buy a gun. here is how we check to see if you are a felon or mentally ill before you buy a gun in this country. >> the crew went north to kings port, tennessee to a saturday morning local gun show held in a convention center. it was a smith &...
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if so do you think that law needs to be looked at? >> that is an area that we looked at, as well, when department of homeland security introduced a program that was routinely looking at postings that were done in a publicly available way. we questioned the extent to which government ought to be looking at that kind of information. the privacy officers had some guidelines that allowed that to fall within the correct action but is it different once you have some measure of effectively probable cause to believe that somebody may be inclined towards terrorism? and then they are posting jihadist messages. does that allow you to use a higher level of scrutiny on them? i think these are all issues that are going to be developed as we move forward. >> one thing is what we are doing internally and the other is our relationship with foreign governments. there is an indication that u.s. officials wanted to get more information of activities from tamerlan tsarnaev from the russian government but say they never got back to them. >> you have the ru
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we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 u years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. >>> president said it best this morning when he outlined the approach to the bombing, which so far seems to be the approach most people are taking. >> we will find whoever harmed our citizens and we will bring them to swrus tis. we also know this. the american people refuse to be terrorized. because what the world saw yesterday and the aftermath of the explosions were stories of heroism and kindness and generosity and love. >> that phrase, refuse to be terrorized, caught me because last night, i read this. when we refuse to be terrorized, the terrorists fail even if their attacks succeed. attacks like yesterday's are extremely rare here
we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 u years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. >>> president said it best this morning when he...
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it would also tighten laws against gun trafficking. >>> and a funeral will be held this morning in london for former prime minister margaret thatcher. leaders from 170 countries are attending. mark phillips is at st. paul's cathedral in london. mark, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, anne-marie. well, this was always going to be a tense affair, this funeral for margaret thatcher. after the events this week in boston, the concerns have been ratcheted up even higher. it comes from two sources. she was a very divisive figure and the fear is the strength of opinion, particularly in opposition to her and her policies could mar this funeral as well. protests are planned. the question is whether they will be peaceful or otherwise. but there's also a terrorist threat as well. this is the first major street event if you will in the world since boston. the queen will be here. it will be populated as well by many dignitaries as you say from around the world. it's a tempting target. and there are two potential terrorist sources, one being the usual suspects in the middle east, the other being
it would also tighten laws against gun trafficking. >>> and a funeral will be held this morning in london for former prime minister margaret thatcher. leaders from 170 countries are attending. mark phillips is at st. paul's cathedral in london. mark, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, anne-marie. well, this was always going to be a tense affair, this funeral for margaret thatcher. after the events this week in boston, the concerns have been ratcheted up even higher. it...
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i've been involved in law enforcement approximately 30 years plus. i've seen it transcend. i'm a huge advocate of video cameras. i'd much rather have the pleasure of having the video camera than the misery of not having it. >> you have found it incredib inextricably important in the investigati investigative -- incredibly important in the work you have done, like in a department store in boston for something like that? >> i'm here to tell you, video camera s deter and sometimes prevent crimes. they solve cases. in this particular case, if you look at the video camera, video footage rather released today. sure, you see suspect one and suspect two. but there are other things you want to see as well. there is a young lady walking in front of the suspects with green balloons in her hands. as you remember when that first explosion went off, those green balloons were set off in the air. that's somebody you want to locate, find, other people who see other things. >> talking about the usefulness of this, i absolutely understand why certainly in this case. there also seems to be ano
i've been involved in law enforcement approximately 30 years plus. i've seen it transcend. i'm a huge advocate of video cameras. i'd much rather have the pleasure of having the video camera than the misery of not having it. >> you have found it incredib inextricably important in the investigati investigative -- incredibly important in the work you have done, like in a department store in boston for something like that? >> i'm here to tell you, video camera s deter and sometimes...
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that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old. his family was seeking asylum. he didn't come here as some sort of radical -- he was 8 years old. >> he was on the wrestling team. >> wrestling team. right. you just interviewed his classmates. what a great interview. this guy was later radicalized and his brother probably played a key role in doing it and some on the internet and maybe some other influences, both here and abroad. and i think that the terrorism analysts, the experts on that, like roger cressey, those kind of guys will be digging in that so deep, they will
that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old....
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>> i just thing that's good law enforcement by all of the law enforcement agencies. even though it appears that the fbi is kind of the lead in this, and that's a good thing. somebody's got to be the lead. but all of these people are working together and their talents and trade and information gathered and so forth and i think that's what they have done is put this together and they've had law enforcement agencies not just in the boston area but perhaps throughout the country and the u.s. as to what information they have as to what clues they may have developed as the direction that they go. and trust me, oftentimes you might start off going and you think that's the right direction and then somebody brings in another bundle of information and you realize that you need go another course. but that's good law enforcement and good working together. >> all right. don clark, thank you. >> thank you. >> we saw the city come together this morning at the in ter faith service, and straight ahead another moving moment that will show how boston is standing together. you're going
>> i just thing that's good law enforcement by all of the law enforcement agencies. even though it appears that the fbi is kind of the lead in this, and that's a good thing. somebody's got to be the lead. but all of these people are working together and their talents and trade and information gathered and so forth and i think that's what they have done is put this together and they've had law enforcement agencies not just in the boston area but perhaps throughout the country and the u.s....
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let's talk about law enforcement. what are they looking for now? how do they go about this investigation? take us through some of those steps? and within that, we have to start forming some theories. from what we know already, do you think that it is maybe an individual or probably a group and how do you go about figuring out, is this a foreign group or individual, or americans? >> yeah. those are big questions and there are a lot of them. let me start in the beginning and say in terms of the phase of the investigation, i think there are different parts and different parts of the government are handling different parts of the investigation. so obviously, the most important and immediate thing are those events and evidence that are near the attack. that are approximate to the attack. that includes the crime scene. that includes the material used in the bomb and the process of reconstructing what that bomb looked like. it is designed, the materials it used. the nature of the timer that was used. then there is a whole separate line of inquiry at surve
let's talk about law enforcement. what are they looking for now? how do they go about this investigation? take us through some of those steps? and within that, we have to start forming some theories. from what we know already, do you think that it is maybe an individual or probably a group and how do you go about figuring out, is this a foreign group or individual, or americans? >> yeah. those are big questions and there are a lot of them. let me start in the beginning and say in terms of...
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got in the way of catching the terrorists and those stories will call for new laws. we need to be very clear what we want from law enforcement and what we want them to do when confronted with a situation like what they apparently confronted with the older tsarnaev brother. let's bring in carol rose executive director of the aclu of massachusetts. carol, i want your response to this story that is emerging that this was the fbi dropping the ball. >> right. i mean, first we don't have all the information about exactly what happened. so we're all speaking from news reports and not from actual knowledge. >> do it every night. >> with that noted, you have to wonder, i'm sure congress will try to find out, what happened? the fbi clearly wasn't lacking the authority. they had the authority presumably to interview this guy but they apparently didn't have the ability or willing necessary or whatever to do the followup. one has to go back to the question about some of these theories that are now discredited about radicalization. is it possible that this guy didn't fit the profi
got in the way of catching the terrorists and those stories will call for new laws. we need to be very clear what we want from law enforcement and what we want them to do when confronted with a situation like what they apparently confronted with the older tsarnaev brother. let's bring in carol rose executive director of the aclu of massachusetts. carol, i want your response to this story that is emerging that this was the fbi dropping the ball. >> right. i mean, first we don't have all...
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and how do law enforcement and good interrogators pull those threats? joining us now is ali soufan, a former fbi special agent who proved the first link between al qaeda and 9/11 after the first attacks. the book he wrote about his experience in the fbi is called "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda clothe. great to have you here. >> it's great to be here again. thank you. >> when you heard the transcript of what happened at the bedside of the suspected bomber in boston today with him being read his rights, being advised he has the right to remain silent, as a former high level fbi interrogator, how does that sound to you? >> it sounds great. that's exactly how we should deal with these individuals. there is nothing special about them. they committed a crime, and they need to be punished for that crime. and this system, our federal system is one of the best systems in dealing with al qaeda, in dealing with terrorism. i'll give you an example. since 9/11 until today, we had probably about more than 165, 170 cases of t
and how do law enforcement and good interrogators pull those threats? joining us now is ali soufan, a former fbi special agent who proved the first link between al qaeda and 9/11 after the first attacks. the book he wrote about his experience in the fbi is called "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda clothe. great to have you here. >> it's great to be here again. thank you. >> when you heard the transcript of what happened at the bedside of...
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there is a federal terrorism law. and the use of explosive devices in the course of terrorism is not only a federal crime, it is a federal crime that potentially carries the death penalty. >> when you say that, is there not also -- forgive me for not knowing the wording of the federal statute, but exploding a device in a public place causing death is also something that carries the death penalty. >> that's right. >> so video perhaps -- >> that's right. >> okay. >> remember, we are such an early stage of this process. you know, we are all taking it as a given that the fbi and other law enforcement have identified the two brothers as the people who set off the bomb. we don't know what the evidence is of that. we haven't seen evidence -- we haven't seen them setting off the bomb. we haven't seen them admitting it. now, supposedly one or both of them admitted it to the carja carjacking victim, but i think we just need to slow down a little bit and say, you know, what is the proof here. >> sure. >> i assume the government
there is a federal terrorism law. and the use of explosive devices in the course of terrorism is not only a federal crime, it is a federal crime that potentially carries the death penalty. >> when you say that, is there not also -- forgive me for not knowing the wording of the federal statute, but exploding a device in a public place causing death is also something that carries the death penalty. >> that's right. >> so video perhaps -- >> that's right. >> okay....
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it would have been a vast improvement on the current law. nowhere near as strong as i might have preferred or nowhere near as strong as many, including myself, but the point here is that we need a bipartisan vote. there should be nothing democrat or republican about supporting gun safety, and i think the brunt of it may well fall on republicans. >> very quickly, senator, what should be done next? it seems to me if the current package is voted through, everybody gets to say they did something, and in some ways that's the most perverse result, or do you think what's left in the package is salvageable or meaningful enough you want to see that passed out of the senate? >> this bill is coming back, chris, there's no running away from it, and the connecticut effect that the nra hope would dissipate, it said so specifically is not going away. so, i think a strengthened bill and some measure of bipartisan compromise is still very much reachable. remember, four and a half months ago this issue was thought to be politically untouchable. now we came ve
it would have been a vast improvement on the current law. nowhere near as strong as i might have preferred or nowhere near as strong as many, including myself, but the point here is that we need a bipartisan vote. there should be nothing democrat or republican about supporting gun safety, and i think the brunt of it may well fall on republicans. >> very quickly, senator, what should be done next? it seems to me if the current package is voted through, everybody gets to say they did...
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>> the best case scenario for law enforcement is to keep it within law enforcement, make the identification and the arrest before you go public and not complicate it, not get lo lookalikes. there's going to be tens and thousands of phone calls that come in. somebody is going to say it's my ne neighbor. someone is going to call in and say that's my ex-boyfriend. true fact? we don't know. but chris, there is a needle in a haystack and in this case, two needles and i really believe -- i mean, a picture is worth a million words right now. nationally and internationally, there are people picking up the phone, there are people sitting down in front of a computer looking at these guys and saying i think i know one of these guys and we see one guy talking on a phone t appears to be. maybe he's faking it. maybe he's talking on a phone. if he's talking on a phone, the fbi and other agency also grab that signal out of the air at that exact second and we'll know who he was talking to. if we can't find them, let's find somebody they know and that will lead us back to these two guys. this is what all gov
>> the best case scenario for law enforcement is to keep it within law enforcement, make the identification and the arrest before you go public and not complicate it, not get lo lookalikes. there's going to be tens and thousands of phone calls that come in. somebody is going to say it's my ne neighbor. someone is going to call in and say that's my ex-boyfriend. true fact? we don't know. but chris, there is a needle in a haystack and in this case, two needles and i really believe -- i...
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do you think this terror attack would put a new heat on lawmakers for tighter gun laws? >> i hope so. it's kind of -- the bombs are a reach from the gun legislation. they did have guns. i don't know if they were illegal or legal. but we are not pollyannas. we know that not every gun violent issue and incident will be stopped by a background check. it certainly will stop some and if you're the one that's going to get the call or prevent from getting the call saying your 9-year-old daughter is at umc and you need to get there right away because she's been murdered, you know, that is powerful. that's powerful. and i used to think the worst thing i could imagine was roxanna and john green holding the lifeless body of their 9-year-old. but there's something worse and those not being able to hold the lifeless body of your child. and that's what the newtown people had to experience. and i think our senators and our representatives need to take a serious look at how damaging gun violence is. in the body and in the mind. it's just unacceptable. we're a smart people, we should be
do you think this terror attack would put a new heat on lawmakers for tighter gun laws? >> i hope so. it's kind of -- the bombs are a reach from the gun legislation. they did have guns. i don't know if they were illegal or legal. but we are not pollyannas. we know that not every gun violent issue and incident will be stopped by a background check. it certainly will stop some and if you're the one that's going to get the call or prevent from getting the call saying your 9-year-old daughter...
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also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob casey, thank you very much for being on the show today. >> thank you. >>> tomorrow on "morning joe" -- >> i love, mika, the daily news covered it. you flashed. >> yeah. >> and the one last week. right after the lost vote. >> no. i mean, it's just -- absolutely, after the lost vote. >> talking about the cowards on the hill. >> mm-hmm. tomorrow on "morning joe" google executive chairman eric schmidt joins us here onset. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. ♪ [ male announcer ] purpose elevates what we do. raises it to a more meaningful place. makes us live what we do, love what we do and fills o
also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob...
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most americans think that's already the law. a few minutes ago, 90% of democrats in the senate voted for that idea. but it's not going to happen because 90% of republicans in the senate just voted against that idea. the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill. they claimed that it would create some sort of big brother gun registry. even though the bill did the opposite. this legislation in fact outlawed any registry, plain and simple, right there in the text. but that didn't matter. and unfortunately, spreading untruths about this legislation served the purpose because those lies upset an intense minority of gun owners and that in turn intimidated a lot of senators. there were no coherent arguments as to why we wouldn't do this. it came down to politics. the worry that that vocal minority of gun owners would come after them in future elections. they worried that the gun lobby would spend a lot of money and paint them as anti-second amendment. obviously a lot of republicans had that fear but democrats had that fear
most americans think that's already the law. a few minutes ago, 90% of democrats in the senate voted for that idea. but it's not going to happen because 90% of republicans in the senate just voted against that idea. the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill. they claimed that it would create some sort of big brother gun registry. even though the bill did the opposite. this legislation in fact outlawed any registry, plain and simple, right there in the text. but that didn't...
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when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas to russia, that area, as he became increasingly more devout in his religion and radicalism. >>> here in washington, the marathon bombings have already started to change the debate on things like -- you knew this was coming -- immigration. >>> finally, life started to return to normal this weekend in boston. i was up there as the slow healing begins. this is "hardball." as we say up there, "hardball." the place for politics. >>> he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was of course, white house spokesman jay carney short by before 1:00 p.m. today making clear the boston suspect will
when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas to russia, that area, as he became increasingly more devout in his religion and radicalism. >>> here in washington, the...
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we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] when you're at the corner of "multivitamin" and "multiple choice," come to walgreens for help finding the one that's right for you... like centrum. now, get four dollars off select centrum products with balance rewards card. at the corner of happy and healthy. for over 30 years. and it's now the most doctor recommended, the most preferred and the most studied. so when it comes to getting the most out of your multivitamin, the choice is clear. centrum. the choice is clear. but i see a world bursting with opportunity,ople nervous. with ideas, with ambition. i'm thinking about china, brazil, india. the world's a big place.
we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] when you're at the corner of...
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this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been tremendous liability and panic and risk. by releasing it at 5:00 p.m., it happened when they were asleep. they anticipated that this could happen and it did. they are controlling the city as best they can. i think it was strategic to do it this way. >> they are not stopping the investigation while this is going on. they have been looking carefully at the bomb components and they are trying to use that information to track where the components came from. potentially to lead them to other accomplices that they may be. >> no question about it. examining the and the components allows you to trace back to the manuf
this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been...
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and law enforcement officials need to be careful. it's totally legal and proper in case of an imminent threat to waive the miranda rights but they've got to prove, if we want this guy, if he's guilty of going away for a long time or subject to the death penalty. they have to prove not that he placed the backpack on the parade route or the finish line, but he knew what was in it and he knew what was going to happen. that won't be an easy case to prosecute. unless they do everything right and they don't want to find out something before he is been given the miranda right that they cannot then use in trial. >> mike, the aclu has been i think tough and fair-minded about the administration's use of, the aclu's issues with the obama administration and their sort of tactics in the great war on terror. how much do you think that the white house has sort of come around on some of these issues? i mean there's a lot of talk about the expansion of privileges, a continuation of the bush administration tactics. here's a case where they seem to try
and law enforcement officials need to be careful. it's totally legal and proper in case of an imminent threat to waive the miranda rights but they've got to prove, if we want this guy, if he's guilty of going away for a long time or subject to the death penalty. they have to prove not that he placed the backpack on the parade route or the finish line, but he knew what was in it and he knew what was going to happen. that won't be an easy case to prosecute. unless they do everything right and...
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law enforcement suggests they've been through about 80% of that. we are looking for a needle in a haystack. and look, we know his brother took a lot of hits in the gunfight with law enforcement last night before he was killed. you might suggest that this 19-year-old man we're looking for, he may have been hit, too. so he could have crawled under a building someplace. he could be barricaded inside of a house somewhere by himself, or holding a hostage, or he may, just may have been able to steal another car and our worst case scenario and get out of town. once law enforcement finishes this search of this 20 square block, then they have to regroup and figure out what cars have been stolen in the area that he might have used to get away from, or did we miss him and do we go back again? and, chris, i know we're going into the weekend, but how long do you keep a city like this bottled up and tell everybody to stay inside? >> well, is there any way of tracking besides basically hard target, i mean, just searching block by block, inch by inch, going throug
law enforcement suggests they've been through about 80% of that. we are looking for a needle in a haystack. and look, we know his brother took a lot of hits in the gunfight with law enforcement last night before he was killed. you might suggest that this 19-year-old man we're looking for, he may have been hit, too. so he could have crawled under a building someplace. he could be barricaded inside of a house somewhere by himself, or holding a hostage, or he may, just may have been able to steal...
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law. the united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live with us right now. i know you've been reviewing these charges. what's the latest on what you've uncovered? >> it is a fairly interesting sequence of things that the government cites here as evidence. first of all they say that there was a surveillance tape that shows what apparently is the second suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, the man in the hospital, placing the bomb at the second bombing. this is unrelated picture to what i'm talking about now. but this is the person we're talking about. but the surveillance tape was taken at the scene of the second bombing. you may recall that there was a restaurant there called the foreign restaurant. they say a surveillance camera there shows him walking up to the restaurant with his backpack
law. the united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live with us right now. i know you've been reviewing these charges. what's the latest on what you've uncovered? >> it is a fairly interesting sequence of things that the government cites here as evidence. first of all they say...
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but as you said, we have disp r disparate state laws. each state makes its own laws. >> michael, just the probabilities involved. based on everything you've seen, the devices they've used s, the story that we learned how to do this on the internet. we were kind of inspired by some of these web sites we've gone to with extremist, islamic clerics who are on them and that stuff. is there anything you've heard developed from the suspect where you say, oh, no, that doesn't sound possible? >> this is actually a fairly typical story of home-grown extremists, in my experience. we've had a history of home-grown extremists in the united states having pretty extensive ties here in the united states. of course, the ft. hood shooter, nadal hassan. the basic profile of these two is not really inconsistent with what we've seen. and to your point about the internet, almost every home-grown al qaeda-inspired extremist that we've seen in the united states over the past five to six years has really been affected quite significantly by english-speaking extr
but as you said, we have disp r disparate state laws. each state makes its own laws. >> michael, just the probabilities involved. based on everything you've seen, the devices they've used s, the story that we learned how to do this on the internet. we were kind of inspired by some of these web sites we've gone to with extremist, islamic clerics who are on them and that stuff. is there anything you've heard developed from the suspect where you say, oh, no, that doesn't sound possible?...
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to be the freest country in the world is to abide by the laws that preserve those freedoms. especially when they are tested. to be a truly equal society. will require much of americans in the coming days and weeks to not bend to the paranoia and fear that make us into them. and as a nation that aims to foster freedom and equality around the around, we should acknowledge that while we mourn the innocent victims of the boston attacks, so, too, should we mourn the individuals in other corners of the world, for whom collateral damage is a way of life. in iraq today, over 30 were killed and a dozen injured. a reminder of the incessant violence that has plagued that country ever since the departure of the last u.s. troops in syria this week, brings talk of a new massacre, killing at least 350, the latest casualties of a conflict in which the number of dead is now rounded up to the nearest thousand. if boston has given america anything, it is a renewed sense of purpose and a chance to strengthen the things that have made us the weakest. dzhokhar tsarnaev will be afforded a civilian
to be the freest country in the world is to abide by the laws that preserve those freedoms. especially when they are tested. to be a truly equal society. will require much of americans in the coming days and weeks to not bend to the paranoia and fear that make us into them. and as a nation that aims to foster freedom and equality around the around, we should acknowledge that while we mourn the innocent victims of the boston attacks, so, too, should we mourn the individuals in other corners of...
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that's the single element i think that runs through all of american law enforcement. when events like this occur, the nation is always reminded you have your bravery, but unfortunately having attended so many funerals and memorial services for law enforcement officers in my career, i not only think of your bravery, but the first thoughts i have is of your families. because every day when you get up and pin on that shield and walk out that door, your husband, your wife, your mother, your father, your brother, your sister, they know -- they know it's naggy that anything could happen. yesterday they assistant with you, they support you, and they have the courage to encourage you. to do what you do. so i want to thank not only sean's family for their willingness to support their brother, their son, taking on this work, but all of your husbands and wives, fathers and mothers, and children, we owe you so much more than just honoring you on days of grief and celebration. there's a line from an english poet keats. he said -- they also serve who only stand and wait. your famil
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much, the heightened security here is very acute and that does contradict a bit with a comments by law enforcement to sort of calm the public saying there's no imminent threat because the fact is, there is a bomber or bombers on the loose. those photos you mentioned before, we are getting these new photos in. they show the circuit board. they show most interestingly, elements of that pressure cooker, which you can see part of a corporate logo on that and the black nylon bag which also seems to show a corporate logo on it. now, what's significant about that is that it gives investigators a lead. they can now go to stores that sell these particular items, the pressure cookers, the nylon bags and ask have, who's been buying these items recently? do they have a list? is there surveillance cameras at some of these stores? now, that's going to be tough. it could take a long time. i'm told pressure cookers like this could also be sold at yard sales. so it may be a dead end in that respect, but it gives them something to work on in the absence of other leads. >> michael isakoff with the latest
much, the heightened security here is very acute and that does contradict a bit with a comments by law enforcement to sort of calm the public saying there's no imminent threat because the fact is, there is a bomber or bombers on the loose. those photos you mentioned before, we are getting these new photos in. they show the circuit board. they show most interestingly, elements of that pressure cooker, which you can see part of a corporate logo on that and the black nylon bag which also seems to...
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finding out -- that law enforcement is poring over as we speak. what officials are trying to get from the public, that's next. look at them kids. [ sigh ] they have no idea what it was like before u-verse high speed internet. yeah, you couldn't just stream movies to a device like that. one time, i had to wait half a day to watch a movie. you watched movies?! i was lucky if i could watch a show. show?! man, i was happy to see a sneezing panda clip! trevor, have you eaten today? you sound a little grumpy. [ laughter ] [ male announcer ] connect all your wi-fi-enabled devices with u-verse high speed internet. rethink possible. for him, who dares to get in the picture. for her, who dares to show her love to the world. for the daring ones, there's crest plus scope. the only toothpaste that combines the freshness of scope with the whitening power of crest. since aflac is helping with his expenses while he can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! fe
finding out -- that law enforcement is poring over as we speak. what officials are trying to get from the public, that's next. look at them kids. [ sigh ] they have no idea what it was like before u-verse high speed internet. yeah, you couldn't just stream movies to a device like that. one time, i had to wait half a day to watch a movie. you watched movies?! i was lucky if i could watch a show. show?! man, i was happy to see a sneezing panda clip! trevor, have you eaten today? you sound a...